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Old 07-09-2012, 09:06 PM
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whos resin dont have plasics in them?
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Jon this is what I was referring to

""We use a commercial mixture of mineral spirits with a concentration and percentage of Naphtha as well as other resins and oils.
This is not an acrylic (plastic) heat process that adds weight to wood, but a process that leaves wood with a natural look.
We have been stabilizing wood for 25 years and associated with wood for fifty years."
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:14 PM
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Assume that its wood lab out of Michigan, if so yes and they do a nice job
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:23 PM
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Jon this is what I was referring to

""We use a commercial mixture of mineral spirits with a concentration and percentage of Naphtha as well as other resins and oils.
This is not an acrylic (plastic) heat process that adds weight to wood, but a process that leaves wood with a natural look.
We have been stabilizing wood for 25 years and associated with wood for fifty years."
when you are using that mixture will it turn the wood hard or keep it the same as before you started? are you using vacume and pressure?

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Old 07-09-2012, 09:26 PM
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I have no idea it's nothing that I was doing. That's just what somebody els quoted from the eBay wood that this thread is about. I just said if that's what they are doing to stabilize their wood I can't see it being very good.
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:35 PM
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I have no idea it's nothing that I was doing. That's just what somebody els quoted from the eBay wood that this thread is about. I just said if that's what they are doing to stabilize their wood I can't see it being very good.
No problem, thats what i get for not reading all the posts!
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Old 07-09-2012, 11:35 PM
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Lol I have done the same thing so it's all good. As far as stabilizing goes I have tried almost every home brew I could think of. The best I got was a 12% increase in weight when cured but it didn't harden the wood much. That was with 2 cycles using "plexitone" soup. I still wanna try out that cactus juice but shipping on that stuff is insane... For any knifes I will be making for people that are willing to pay I won't use anything but good stabilized woods or naturally stable wood.
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Old 07-10-2012, 08:07 AM
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Lol I have done the same thing so it's all good. As far as stabilizing goes I have tried almost every home brew I could think of. The best I got was a 12% increase in weight when cured but it didn't harden the wood much. That was with 2 cycles using "plexitone" soup. I still wanna try out that cactus juice but shipping on that stuff is insane... For any knifes I will be making for people that are willing to pay I won't use anything but good stabilized woods or naturally stable wood.
we will figue out a way to get you some ZK-TR90 to try! you will like this resin hands down!

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Old 07-10-2012, 10:53 PM
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Do yourself a favor, dont buy 'stabilized' wood unless it's from WSSI or K&G Finishing. These home made remedy's falls very short on performance and often times ruins the wood. I got some amboyna burl once that was home stabilized. When I started turning it I noticed some gaps of raw wood and processed wood, like HUGE gaps.

If they send it off to be stabilized at the 2 places then they are going to mention it.


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Old 07-10-2012, 11:22 PM
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Do yourself a favor, dont buy 'stabilized' wood unless it's from WSSI or K&G Finishing. These home made remedy's falls very short on performance and often times ruins the wood. I got some amboyna burl once that was home stabilized. When I started turning it I noticed some gaps of raw wood and processed wood, like HUGE gaps.

If they send it off to be stabilized at the 2 places then they are going to mention it.
I can see your point when it comes to larger blanks like bowl blanks but I believe with the right resin smaller knife blanks may not be such a problem. I have all the equipment to do the stabilizing but I just haven't found that magic resin yet. I still use WSSI stabilized wood and don't really intend on doing a lot of home stabilizing if it's for a knife that I am making for somebody els. I do want to be able to stabilize my own wood for guitar parts tho and even knifes that will be for me to carry.

The tests I have done were done with black dyed resin and I had no problems getting complete penetration but the resins I was using were far from ok as far as durability went.
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Old 07-10-2012, 11:47 PM
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Do yourself a favor, dont buy 'stabilized' wood unless it's from WSSI or K&G Finishing. These home made remedy's falls very short on performance and often times ruins the wood. I got some amboyna burl once that was home stabilized. When I started turning it I noticed some gaps of raw wood and processed wood, like HUGE gaps.

If they send it off to be stabilized at the 2 places then they are going to mention it.
I agree with on some of it but not all, I also have had some wood by the stabilizing companys that you are talking about but they do have issues with diffrent woods, its not there fault its the wood they are reciveing that customers want stabilized, Stabilizing is not a cure all for bad wood, if there is any splitting, or large cracks, wet wood, the wood stabilizing isnt going to fix it, the wood needs to be in fairly good shape to stabilize,the resins we are useing are the same resins they are, home stabilizing works great as long as you are useing the right resin and proper stabilizing methods to make it work , many of us who stabilize our own wood have been down the road with the home remedys and yes they do fall short on performance from what was expected and it sounds to me like you must have ended up with someones home brew remedy, the resins that myself and many other do it youre self stabilizers use is the same resin as the big guysuse, I do know this cause i buy my resin from the same salesman as they do, you are correct that WSSI and K&G do good work, but there are many guys on the site that eather live in another country or far away and it gets very costly to ship wood to stabilizing companys, thats why now days the stabilizing can be done at home with the same results with the proper equipment and resins.
Sorry for the spelling its late!

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Old 07-11-2012, 01:05 PM
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Hey guys here is what you can do with Jon' s ZK-TR90 resin and some color . 100% penetration . The first one is double dyed yellow and green spalted maple the next one is green dyed flame boxelder and the third one is orange dyed spalted maple. His resin works great and is not a home brew . Troy





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Old 07-12-2012, 11:20 AM
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Looks fantastic! Let's see some finished handles
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Old 07-12-2012, 05:01 PM
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Looks fantastic! Let's see some finished handles
Troys a wood stabilizer and turner, I dont think he's a knife maker quite yet! but give him some time, cant wait to see what he does with those blanks!
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Old 07-12-2012, 05:03 PM
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Those blanks could be cut into handles. I am trying to learn how to make a knife, slow process for me . Right now I build game calls. Troy
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Old 07-12-2012, 06:12 PM
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That's pretty cool man. The red one is my favorite! Whatever you make them into lets see some pics!
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